Techtalk bike framesIs a stiff MTB frame always a better frame?

Laurin Lehner

 · 25.10.2024

Techtalk bike frames: Is a stiff MTB frame always a better frame?Photo: Markus Greber
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Frame stiffness can be tested efficiently in the laboratory. However, one question remains: Is a stiffer bike frame always better? And if so, for all bikers? Four types, four opinions.

Mountain bikers need both riding stability and steering precision for optimum control off-road. The decisive component for high precision is the stiffness of the individual components, including tyres, wheels, fork, cockpit and especially the frame. One might assume that greater stiffness is always better. However, factors such as fatigue, riding feel and the need for forgiving handling in demanding terrain also play an important role.

This is how the body weight acts on the frame.Photo: Robert NiedringThis is how the body weight acts on the frame.

System rigidity

Tyres, wheels, frame and fork together form a series of springs that connect us to the ground. The wheels are the stiffest components (100 %), followed by the tyres (40 %), fork (20 %) and frame (15 %). Theoretically, variations are most likely to be felt in the softest component of the chain - i.e. the frame.

Robert Krauss, Propain design engineer

As with so many things, the solution lies in the middle. Not too stiff and not too soft. We measure the whole bike and aim for a target value based on feedback from our racing teams. Different applications require different stiffnesses. The desire for different stiffnesses, depending on the frame size, has not yet been expressed by the racing team or customers.

Propain CEO and designer Robert Krauss sees the golden mean as the solution.Photo: PropainPropain CEO and designer Robert Krauss sees the golden mean as the solution.

Philipp Friedrich, Park Chief Mechanic, Geißkopf

I weigh 110 kilos ready for use and can clearly feel when the rear suspension is too soft. This feels unsafe and inhibits downhill riding - especially on berms. Tyre marks on the seat stays are a clear sign of a lack of stiffness. I also take a critical view of forks that are too soft. Conversely, I know of light riders who get arm pump more quickly from forks that are too stiff (Rockshox ZEB).

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The head mechanic and bike trainer at Bikepark Geißkopf has already ridden several bikes. <a href="https://www.bike-magazin.de/fahrraeder/mountainbike/all-mountain-bikes/bike-test-2024-rahmensteifigkeit-kann-ein-mtb-steif-genug-sein-oder-ist-steifer-besser/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Philipp was also part of our blind test</a>.Photo: Robert NiedringThe head mechanic and bike trainer at Bikepark Geißkopf has already ridden several bikes. Philipp was also part of our blind test.

Peter Nilges, BIKE Test Manager

When it comes to frame stiffness, many manufacturers are still in their infancy and are wasting valuable potential. Our measurements and ride tests show huge differences, even within the same model range. In the future, the design of stiffness will be even more of a focus in the development of bicycles - because it has a major influence on ride quality and fatigue.

<a href="https://www.bike-magazin.de/fahrraeder/mountainbike/all-mountain-bikes/bike-test-2024-rahmensteifigkeit-kann-ein-mtb-steif-genug-sein-oder-ist-steifer-besser/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Test boss Peter Nilges is in favour of stiffness tests. "There's still a lot of potential here," says Nilges. </a>Photo: Georg GrieshaberTest boss Peter Nilges is in favour of stiffness tests. "There's still a lot of potential here," says Nilges.

Laurin Lehner, BIKE test editor

I admit that I often guess wrong whether the frame is stiff or soft. This is probably due to two things: 1. components that falsify the impression. 2. with a body weight of 75 kilos, slight deviations in stiffness are hardly noticeable anyway. Then there are individual preferences: For example, I like soft upside-down forks that find their own way through nasty rock gardens. In short: Yes, a frame can be too stiff or too soft, but that is an exception.

Test editor Laurin Lehner thinks the stiffness issue is overrated. At least for riders under 80 kilos.Photo: Dimitri LehnerTest editor Laurin Lehner thinks the stiffness issue is overrated. At least for riders under 80 kilos.

Born in South Baden, Laurin Lehner is, by his own admission, a lousy racer. Maybe that's why he is fascinated by creative, playful biking. What counts for him is not how fast you get from A to B, but what happens in between. Lehner writes reports, interviews scene celebrities and tests products and bikes - preferably those with a lot of suspension travel.

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